Archive for August 7th, 2008

Petition gains more support

Beat the bullies | Posted by youngy
Aug 07 2008

With the petition now fast approaching 2000 signatures it has been noticed and is being supported by The Hamilton Advertiser.

Andy McGilvray – sports reporter at the paper – has signed the petition and has pledged the support of the paper to the petition’s cause.

Thanks Andy – much appreciated!

Hopefully, as more and more names are added to the petition, more and more members of the media will either become aware of it, or will simply be unable to ignore it any longer.

The wider the petition is reported, the better chance we have of persuading OUR clubs to come together and show a united front against any tax to be allowed to play against the Old Firm!

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Aberdeen respond to 5% charge

Beat the bullies | Posted by youngy
Aug 07 2008

Courtesy of BBC.co.uk/sportscotland

Aberdeen have announced that they will increase prices at Pittodrie by ÂŁ1 for matches against the Old Firm.

Controversially, Rangers and Celtic are to charge the ten other SPL clubs a 5% administration fee for selling tickets to their own fans for away games.

The Dons will now charge home and away fans in the South Stand ÂŁ1 more, though Reds fans can then get a ÂŁ1 discount on a subsequent non-Old Firm match.

Aberdeen will levy a 5% fee for tickets they sell for away Old Firm games.
The move by the Old Firm to recoup their administration costs involved in selling tickets to their fans for away matches has not generally been well received.

Rather than pay the levy, Falkirk themselves sold tickets for both home and away sections for Saturday’s SPL opener against Rangers.

And the Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston described the plan as stirring up “a hornet’s next”.

Now Aberdeen have changed their pricing policy so that both home and away fans in the South Stand will pay ÂŁ1 more.

SPL rules forbid clubs from charging home and visiting fans different prices when located in the same part of the stadium.

As a way of compensating their own fans for paying extra, Aberdeen say that any fan who pays more for an Old Firm match can claim a ÂŁ1 discount for a non-Old Firm match as long as they do so within two matches.
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Whilst Aberdeen and Falkirk have both come up with completely different solutions to this problem, I can only applaude them.

At least their stance has shown the Old Firm that they will not simply be run all over.

Falkirk have thumbed their noses at the charges altogether by selling tiskets directly, whereas Aberdeen have said “OK. You can have your 5% but YOUR fans will be the ones paying for it!”

Hopefully now, Dundee United will now re-think their stance on the charge rather than just bending over and letting the “big two” get away with this!

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Open letter to non Old Firm clubs

Beat the bullies | Posted by youngy
Aug 07 2008

Hello again folks.

Thank you once again to Mr Stuart Bathgate of the Scotsman Newspaper for printing sections of the open letter in Tuesday’s edition of the paper.

Below I have posted the entire text of the letter that I sent to the 10 clubs and 4 journalists.

Cheers
youngy
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To: Mr S Milne, Mr E Thompson, Mr C Christie, Mr R MacDonald, Mr V Romanov, Mr R Petrie, Mr G Fraser, Mr M Johnston, Mr J Boyle, Mr S Gilmour.

Cc: Mr M Donaldson, Mr S Bathgate, Mr T Cowan, Mr B Leckie.

Dear Sirs,

I am writing this letter to you in reference to the 5% surcharge proposed by Glasgow Celtic FC and Glasgow Rangers FC in an attempt to prove to you that not only can the Old Firm clubs be stood up to, but in fact your supporters want you to stand up to them.

I believe that all 10 non Old Firm clubs received letters during the close season stating that both Rangers and Celtic intend to start charging a 5% handling fee to distribute tickets to their own fans for matches that they play away from home. Not only that, but they now seem intent on using whatever tactics they can to bully you into accepting these proposals. I know that I am not telling you anything new when I state that this is an absolute outrage!

Dundee United received a letter from Celtic stating that if they did not accept this 5% charge, that there would be “no Celtic fans at Tannadice”. That was the very moment that the Dundee United board of directors should have called a meeting with the rest of the league. That was when all 10 non Old Firm sides should have stood as one and said “Don’t send any fans then!” That was when you all had the opportunity to either sell those tickets to your own fans (even if you had to discount them a little) or leave those areas of your grounds empty.

In leaving your grounds empty, you could have achieved three things.

1. You would undoubtedly have saved money in policing/stewarding costs for the game.
2. Perhaps more importantly, you could have highlighted to TV audiences all over Britain, just how petty and ridiculous these two clubs can be. If I’m not mistaken, ALL away games of Rangers and Celtic are televised. Yes? Then let the TV company show no fans, let the rest of the country see empty seats where they would normally see seas of red, white and blue or green, white and gold.
3. And perhaps more importantly still. You would have had these two clubs’ massive supports complaining bitterly about being locked out of away matches. They would complain to you, they would complain to the SPL and the SFA but most importantly they would complain to their own clubs. And you could sit back and be the ones to laugh for once. You, if you all stand together (as these two clubs seem capable of doing when it suits) and you could say “Tell your clubs to drop these ridiculous charges and you all get back in!”

Not so long ago, when all the non Old Firm clubs in the league stood together and stated that if Rangers and Celtic did not back down over plans to gain huge percentages of TV deal money for themselves and leave scraps for the rest, that they would all resign from the league and start again without these two clubs. It worked than and it can work now!

When you take a step back and look at our league from a distance. It is actually plain and simple to see that Rangers and Celtic need the other clubs MORE than those other clubs need them!

If you all resign and start your own league, where does that leave them? Nowhere! They are not allowed to go and play in England. They cannot gain entry into European competitions if they don’t gain entry via a domestic competition. So what do they do?

Do they attempt to become some form of foot-balling Harlem Globetrotters? I doubt it.

I am in no way stupid, however. I realise that you quite obviously need the money that these games bring to you. Obviously in expelling Rangers and Celtic from the league, you would be changing the face of Scottish Football forever. I know that you would instantly have to cut wages, trim your squads and probably have to let admin staff go too.

But again, I believe that the game in Scotland would recover. Just look at the towns and cities that your own clubs play in. How many children and teenagers do you see walking around wearing Old Firm tops and tracksuits? If it wasn’t for the “big two”, I believe that at least 75% of these younger generations would naturally gravitate to supporting their local sides. Why? They quite obviously have an interest in football, they presumably have a wish to take the “easy” way and follow a successful side.

Why not yours? If you no longer have these two enormous leeches bleeding you dry and keeping you down in any way they can. What’s to stop your club being the successful one?

I am a Hearts fan. Forget the admin side of things for a minute and take a look at what happened to my club in 2006. At that time, we had a side that (despite some ups and downs) split Rangers and Celtic in the league for the first time in many a year and won the Scottish cup in the same season. What happened to the crowds? They swelled! So much so, that our owner was able to tell Rangers and Celtic that they would no longer get a full stand at Tynecastle because OUR fans had a right to those seats.

Gain success and the crowds would come back to all of your clubs. The older generations may be lost but the younger ones would have a chance to make a better choice. Most of them probably have never been to Ibrox or Parkhead. Many of them probably never will. So, if they have a successful club on their doorstep, I’m sure they gladly go along there rather than hope that one day they might be able to make the journey to Glasgow.

On the morning that I read of Celtic’s threats to Dundee united and the subsequent acceptance by United to the 5% charge. I took the decision to start an online petition. I opened accounts on only 1 internet message board for each club and posted a link to the petition along with a small description of my reasons for starting it. I also asked Mark Donaldson, a sports journalist on Talk107, if he could mention the web address of the forum.

http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/stop-the-old-firm-bully-tactics.html

http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/stop-the-old-firm-bully-tactics/signatures.html

By midnight on August 3rd the petition had been signed by 1380 people. It was still rising this morning when I checked it and mention of it had also appeared in Tam Cowan’s football column in Saturdays Daily Record.

The most important people to your clubs are the fans! I urge you to log on to this petition and read the comments from fans of ALL of your clubs. There have even been signatures from fans of clubs outside of the SPL.

I believe that Aberdeen have now also backed down over this charge citing “safety issues” as the reason for capitulating.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with safety! Do what Falkirk has done if you must and sell tickets directly to Old Firm fans. You will all have databases already to keep your own fans details. What is wrong with adding some more names and addresses to that database to allow you to know who bought tickets and which seat they were sitting in? Post the tickets out to them so that false addresses can’t be given. If you wish, charge THEM a 5% fee on top of their ticket. Perhaps this is another way that you can get them to complain to their clubs. It’s easy and it could work.

The bullying of Scottish Football by just two clubs needs stopped now! Unfortunately the fans can’t do much on this occasion.

YOU can.

Listen to your supporters; they WILL back you on this. Stand up against these bullies. Do you really think that they will be happy to have no fans at away grounds? Do you really think that they will be happy to play every away game at grounds that are 100% against them? Do you think that their players will be happy to never have vocal backing at away grounds?

NO!

That is why you have the ability to stand up against this ridiculous charge! Because you have the ability to hurt them more than they can hurt you!

It’s just like bullies in a playground. If we stand together they will NOT be able to impose their will, if we submit, they will pick off the weak and rule as tyrants. Let’s show them that we will stand for bullying NO more!

Yours sincerely

Alan Young

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Petition Update

Beat the bullies | Posted by youngy
Aug 07 2008

Hi Folks
Just a little update on the petition for you.

First of all. To those of you who have already signed it. THANK YOU! If we shout loud enough, this CAN be stopped!

As some of you might know already, the petition has been signed by Tam Cowan and received a mention in his column in Saturdays Daily record. How much this promoted it I’m not sure yet as unfortunately the address of the petition was not mentioned. But it was a nice gesture by Tam all the same.

Yesterday I wrote an open letter to the chairmen/owners of the 10 non Old Firm clubs telling them that the petition existed, urging them to have a look at it, and, informing them that I will deliver hard copies of the petition to them soon.

I also sent this open letter to a few journalists.

It was sent to:
Stuart Bathgate at the Scotsman – who has kindly written a short peice about it in this mornings paper (you can read it here> http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Petition-takes-on-Old-Firm.4356484.jp)

Tam Cowan at The Daily Record – If he can get more about it printed that would be great.

Bill Leckie at The Sun

Mark Donaldson at Talk107

I have received replies from Falkirk (who say the letter is being passed between directors etc) and Aberdeen (who have stated that despite reports- they have NOT agreed to pay the 5% charge as yet)

The petition also been signed by a few Old Firm fans.
One Rangers fans has posted this comment “Signed by a Rangers fan. Our club already charge us a handling fee for away tickets so this aint for the benefit of the fans.”

Tells you all you need to know about this charge as far as I am concerned! This is not about the big two “meeting costs”. This is about the big two FLEECING THE REST!

Remember folks, the address of the petition is> http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/stop-the-old-firm-bully-tactics.html

Email it to people, post it on other forums, send it to journalists of YOUR choice. Lets just be heard on this matter and try to force the Old Firm to back down for once!

Cheers
youngy

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The time has come to stand up to the bullies!

Beat the bullies | Posted by youngy
Aug 07 2008

Hi folks

First and foremost, let me explain myself. I am a Hearts fan and I would like to ask you all to do me a favour. Well actually I hope that your actions will do Scottish Football a favour.

I was saddened and angered today (1st August 2008), when I read that Dundee United were forced to accept Celtic’s demand for a 5% away ticket surcharge after Celtic threatened them that there would be NO Celtic fans at Tannadice if they did not accept the demands.

As a result. I have set up an online petition which you can view and sign HERE> http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-the-old-firm-bully-tactics.html

I will send copies of the completed petition to all 10 clubs so that they can see how strongly their fans feel about this ridiculous situation.

As far as I can see all 10 non old firm clubs need to stand up and be counted against these two leeches. How many of our clubs can afford to incur yet more losses? Why should OUR clubs be asked to swell the coffers of Rangers and Celtic? Why should our clubs be asked to pay a TAX just so we can play against Rangers and Celtic at our OWN grounds?

These two “fierce rivals” are quick enough to always unite when it suits their agenda or can earn them more money.

It’s time yet again that the other members of the league put a stop to their attempts to steam roller smaller and less well-off clubs.

It worked once before over TV money. It can work again!

Please feel free to post this link wherever you like.

Thanks
youngy

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